The Law of Attraction

[Geoff]

I sincerely believe that the Law of Attraction works at all times, as do all the laws of God. We cannot see the underlying causes and effects of these workings, from our limited view.

Dear Kathryn,

This is where I started with this topic. I found a fellow who actually teaches that everything in your life, everything at all, is as a direct result of the LOA. Logically therefore, he teaches that if you have cancer, the rest of us should not "send" healing, because that cancer is there as a direct result of your personal desires, and it does you no good to be "saved" from it.

You can see where this sort of thing can go. So, what is it?

I think there is a very big difference between exactly what you stated: " Law of Attraction works at all times" and concluding there are no other causes in our lives, and to prove my point, I will refer to three Padgett Messages, although not having broadband right now, I am not going to quote them specifically.

1. We already know that there is an hierarchy in Spiritual Laws, and that the Law of Compensation can be over-ridden by the Law of Divine Love. So I suspect that a number of other Spiritual Laws take precedence over the LOA, in this realm. I even suspect it may actually be the lowest ranking Spiritual Law.

2. Jesus tells us the child born blind, was not blind as a result of her parents sins. (Read LOA if you like) He said it was simply a material defect. So, it seems there are Laws of the Material, which probably are higher than the LOA.

3. Jesus tells Padgett that he, Jesus can solve Padgett's money worries. Ergo, he can do something that circumvents the LOA, since presumably Padgett's LOA is now responsible for Padgett's state of poverty. (or at least solve his necessity to have to work full time, so he can spend more time on the messages) Now Jesus never said that the LOA would resolve Padgett's money problems, if he just got his mind around to bringing money into his life, as the Secret suggests. And we already know Celestials work in our lives, making things happen. That they even bother to do this, tells me they can circumvent any LOA. So clearly actions initiated by Celestials rank higher than the LOA.

love,
Geoff

[Kay Ann Ray]

Dear Geoff,

When I stated that the LoA works at all times, I did not mean to imply that there weren't higher laws which interact with it and, therefore over-ride its effect. I do have faith in the healing power of prayer. I feel that the more prayers which go out in someones behalf, the more powerful the response will be to affecuate a healing. I belive a healing can take place, and if that person fails to live in harmony with love afterwards, the ailment may return. Jesus is quoted to have said to a person he channeled a healing to, 'Go and sin no more.'

This is why I have concluded that, it seems to me, the laws of God which govern the universe are intertwined and complex. I am convinced that people living on earth, starting out on their spiritual transformation, still rely upon their reasoning powers and intellect, to bring them to accurate conclusions about the intricate workings of God's laws. This is what I feel is not possible. I firmly believe that in order for me to bring myself into harmony and, therefore, benefit the most from the workings of God's perfet laws, I need to have Faith in the OverSouls power and ability to be in charge.

I try to put myself into the Loving Hands of my Heavenly Father as I proceed with my daily activities. If I stub my toe, I try to evaluate my actions to determine if I had negative thoughts, or if the choices I was making weren't being made in love. I also strive to be receptive to angelic guidance and pay attention to my insights. I believe there are no accidents, that things happen for a reason. It's a huge challenge to 'figure-out' what the underlying spiritual causes for certain events were. So the best I can do is to trust God to guide me in the right direction, when I am doing my best to be loving.

May you find the answers you are seeking. My suggestion is to rely upon your inner-knowing, which is your souls wisdom. It can only be developed through Love. We can come closer to divine wisdom as we progress in Divine Love.

God bless you and keep you safe and happy. Your friend and sister in Christ, Kathryn

[Alaina]

Hello again Everyone,

Thank you so much for all of your input. It truly helps to be able to learn and see so much coming from others. I am going to add here some of what I am seeing now because there really has been a wealth of information here.

First, I think I need to mention that this book, The Secret, did not grab me because of the material gains it offers; my focus truly is on Divine Love as my answer. I got a different perspective out of it but am not going to go into that right now. But since this kind of book does specifically attract those looking for “money” as the cure-all to happiness, it is easier for me at this point to use the idea of material gain in my explanations.

I’m going to grab Geoff’s posts first and try to tell you what I saw. I don’t know how to use quotes, so this will basically be in my own words. His post started me on this because this book teaches the LOA is everything you need and his post mentioned that. Here’s what I first specifically saw in his post:

‘Is the Law of Attraction real?’ Yes. ‘Does it always apply?’ No! It has potential, if you are positive in your outlook on life, if you place yourself in circumstances where it will work for you, but as a panacea for poverty it will not always work, especially on a planet of the super rich and the dirt poor.

Notice the underlined words. At first glance I saw not that the law doesn’t always apply, but that the law doesn’t always work. Obviously this couldn’t be right because God’s laws always work unfailingly. So I passed that by but after I posted, Geoff posted again with the same thing. So I decided to really take a look at it and saw the truth of what it was saying.

Many years ago, God told me that He always answers “Yes” to all our requests. It took several years for Him to convince me of this. I was like most people that believed God actually says “No” if it is something that does not benefit you or is not in harmony with his Laws. But he taught me the difference, which is why sometimes it appears as if the law doesn’t work, but actually it is working.

Jesus gave us a big clue when he told us about “intention”. If the intention is in harmony with God’s Will (something that will definitely benefit us and others), the LOA will attract Angels that are there to help us get what we ask for. A different law then comes into effect. I don’t have the name of it but it has to do with the law that causes God to move in your behalf, up to the point of actually moving heaven (the Angels that carry out this request) and earth (the people that contribute with this request). This can been seen because we know God doesn’t deal with money – it’s an earth thing—and Angels are needed to carry it out. These Angels have been attracted to you (LOA) by your request with the “right” intention and are working to move people on your behalf to give you what you need.

If your intention is not at the place it will benefit yourself or others, God is actually not saying “No”. You have simply not been able to use the law that moves Him in your behalf so you are left to do it on your own. God and His Angels cannot/willnot help, but the law still can and does work, even if it’s not for good. You can see this by all the rich people that get what they think they need by trampling on others to get it. They do use the laws, which always work unfailingly, and they can and do get it anyway. Only later will they learn that what they got that way truly wasn’t what they thought they wanted or needed.

At this point you need to also take into consideration the biggest effect of all – man’s free will. Does this change the laws? No, not at all. These laws were made to work with God’s Will, but I actually think they may take our will into consideration. Because we don’t really know how these laws work, our will can appear to change these laws, or make them appear not to work.

I think everyone really knows that God made this earth to handle the billions of people on it. Everyone can and should live comfortably as God intended. The earth can handle it, but man can’t as long as man believes it’s every man for themselves. We truly are “our brother’s keeper”. But we don’t look at it that way. When someone is starving in Africa, the belief is: “Why doesn’t God do something?” He already did. But our free will changed that. We’re the ones responsible but we don’t see it that way. We see that we worked hard for our money, so why should I give it to you? Go out and get it yourself. This is what the Angels are working with. It can be hard to motivate people to give. But that’s where the money comes from. That’s why Samuel says, “but as a panacea for poverty it will not always work, especially on a planet of the super rich and the dirt poor”.

Obviously, as Kathryn stated, these laws are complex. But so are humans. So it’s easy to say they don’t always work. But I will say they always do unfailingly, if you know what they are and you follow them. Unfortunately, we don’t know exactly what they are, and we don’t always follow them.

Blessings to all of you, this is all I want to put on this post, but I do have and see more. Later.

[doug]

...If your intention is not at the place it will benefit yourself or others, God is actually not saying “No”. You have simply not been able to use the law that moves Him in your behalf so you are left to do it on your own.

Some people amuse themselves by trying to name all the "laws of God." The "law that moves Him in your behalf" some have called the Law of Prayer; the law that calls the higher spirits to help us is sometimes called the Law of Higher Help. And all of these might be considered subsets of the great Law of Love.

As you noted, there is overlap and interaction between these laws, and, blissfully, we don't have to correctly name them in order for them to work. Basically, if our intention and desire is to give our love and do God's will, our "soul GPS" has the proper coordinates, and will take care of the details.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom on the subject... fun stuff!

[Geoff]

the LOA will attract Angels that are there to help us get what we ask for. A different law then comes into effect. I don’t have the name of it but it has to do with the law that causes God to move in your behalf, up to the point of actually moving heaven (the Angels that carry out this request) and earth (the people that contribute with this request). This can been seen because we know God doesn’t deal with money – it’s an earth thing—and Angels are needed to carry it out. These Angels have been attracted to you (LOA) by your request with the “right” intention and are working to move people on your behalf to give you what you need.

Dear Alaina,

Its very hard to have this discussion, because none of us have the same definition of "LOA". In my argument about the LOA not always being the Law in Action, I actually used this very example - of Jesus telling Padgett he could solve his money problems - which is what you are referring to. But I cannot see that as any part of the LOA, its the backup facility Father provided to get things done when there is no human to motivate and do it. And it would not be necessary, if some law mysteriously always provided just what Father wants, everytime, everyplace. I have heard of someone desperate to pay bills, who found their post box stuffed full of old bills. No doubt angels in action. Not, by my definition, in this case, LOA.

I have come to see that some folks refer to every event that ever happens in all of our lives, as the LOA. You catch a red traffic light - LOA. Nobody responds to your message post - LOA, you get cancer - LOA, my cat won't come back after his morning walk - LOA and on we go. It was that mindset I was addressing. I certainly don't know the answer, but as we all have free will, that interpretation would deny free will, and replace it with LOA. Because if I overeat - that's not LOA, that's me being stupid and ....... So it is very certain, that there are many Spiritual Laws, and as Doug says, we can come up with cute names but that doesn't solve it really. And all these Spiritual Laws are in place, with some sort of hierarchy. Even an angels on a mission to help cannot cross someone's free will.

love,
Geoff

[doug]

Another intriguing aspect of the LoA is its relationship to the Law of Compensation (I think one of our lurking friends posed this question -- hi M!). The two laws may be one and the same, except that the LoC seems to work over time, whereas the LoA seems to imply something instantaneous. Maybe the LoC is a subset of the LoA.

It seems that the workings of both these laws are what we used to generically call Karma. Back in our less-sophisticated days, that one word was enough to explain a multitude of phenomena and "luck." And then someone (John Lennon?) invented the term "Instant Karma," which presumably referred to that which we're now calling the LoA...

[Incarnadine]

Alaina,

Your thoughts were very well put. As were yours, Geoff (as usual).

I guess the only thing that I would like to contribute to this discussion is, in some way, a recognition of your example, Geoff, and of your, example, Alaina, with regard to helping the poor and starving, but with the caveat that most people feel, at some point, that each of us must become responsible for ourselves.

And that is, of course, the point of assistance, a 'hand up', and teaching one who is ready and willing to learn how to provide those things, whether they be material, thoughts, acts of will, prayers (esp. for Divine Love) when the student is ready, but needs that bit of aid or 'shelter' to recover a bit before moving forward. It is apparently what Jesus had in mind for Padgett, help while he needed it. I believe we will see the same in Haiti. After all, we didn't see too many people donating millions of dollars to Haiti before the earthquake, but many are ready and willing to help in a time of emergency. Still, the help is to aid others to 'get back on their feet', and provide for themselves, and will not be sustained much longer than that.

But whom have we attracted to ourselves? Here the LOA applies. When, in our time of need, have we attracted those who not only desert us, but kick us when we are down?...or have we sought and embodied love, and the company of those who hearts will be there to lift us, should we require it? In general, the LOA may not be likely to affect a particular person's decision as to their actions, or the actions of their associates in a particular situation. But, there is a greater chance that, when someone has their hearts set on material gain, and surrounds themselves with others with the same objective, failing to achieve material gain is likely to render those relationships strained at best, end them, or even create negative relationships.

On the other hand, when someone has set their heart on love, and embodies it, attracting those with a similar aura...the results can be very powerful, multiplied giving, sustained efforts at enlightenment, strong bonds of frienship forged over thousands of miles without having met one another in person...

Even with regard to Divine Love, however, our Angel guides can only do so much. My love for my son is very strong, but I recognize the need for him to have the freedom to choose to pursue Divine Love, or not. I can open the door, but I do not even desire to do more, not when it is the most personal of decisions. I know what I want for him, but I also know that I want him to be the one who chooses his own path.

So yes, the interplay of many laws makes it difficult to tell which ones exert the greatest effect in a situation...but that doesn't mean that the others are not operative, just that you can't see their effects right now.

Inky

[Alaina]

Even with regard to Divine Love, however, our Angel guides can only do so much. My love for my son is very strong, but I recognize the need for him to have the freedom to choose to pursue Divine Love, or not. I can open the door, but I do not even desire to do more, not when it is the most personal of decisions. I know what I want for him, but I also know that I want him to be the one who chooses his own path.

Thanks Inky, you really struck on a point here with me.

When I first posted here on LOA, it wasn’t because I exactly needed help with the book ‘The Secret’. I found something in it that helped me so much that I wanted to be able to give it to my daughter without her just simply getting the message of another Cinderella story (if you know how to use LOA, the universe will send you a Fairy Godmother, give you whatever you need and you’ll live happily ever after).

I wanted to be able to help my daughter with Divine Love the way it has helped me. I can see it in so many things I read, but I know others can’t. That’s not the message they pick up. They can’t see it and don’t even know what it is because it’s never defined. But you're right; all I can do is plant a seed.

It just frustrates me so much because I have trouble finding it myself. There’s no specific help for people who are just learning like you can find for other spiritual beliefs in churches, on TV, or in books.

I guess I just had to stop and realize that I wouldn’t have found it myself to begin with, even in the Padgett messages, if I had not been looking for it. I even had to have quite a few of my own beliefs thrown out before I was prepared enough to see the Truth. I just sometimes wish there was someone at my level to talk to and share notes with.

I really appreciate all the input that has been given. I would have to say that every single post has given me some insight that I didn’t see, or quite understand, before. All of it has been a great help.

Hoping all of you have a great day with Love in every minute of it!